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I've been using the iPad version for a little more than a month now and am generally very impressed. There is one thing I can't find though: is there a way to see the Actual Time of Departure after take-off? It's not in the live PLOG (only times over route waypoints). Obviously I can find it in the flight log after landing, but it would be nice to see it while still airborne.
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Certainly liability is a big concern. We're a very popular product and our exposure is high. The trouble with fuel estimation (and we had a lengthy discussion in the office about this yesterday) is that we don't actually know how you're flying the plane. We know what your plans were, but people often don't stick to the plan. You might be flying with a much higher power setting, you might have done more climbing, you might have been flying into much more of a headwind than was forecast. At the end of the day, you might have a lot less fuel than we say you have. I'd much rather not say anything. I don't think we'll be moving from that stance regarding fuel estimation.

The trouble with having "real" values for the current leg is that we're then showing differently-sourced values for one leg than we are for the other boxes under the same column. I do like the metaphor of a plan turning into a log, but I'm not sure how obvious that metaphor would be to everybody else. Some columns do not particularly lend themselves to this either. It's like we'd be trying to replace the boxes of the current leg in the PLOG by duplicating our actual instruments which of course are available elsewhere.

We posted on Facebook soliciting feedback for this very topic this week, and if nothing else, it shows just how varied the opinions are regarding the PLOG. It's obviously a very personal thing, and certainly a feature where we can't please everybody. https://www.facebook.com/SkyDemonVFR
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Tim Dawson (10/17/2014)
Certainly liability is a big concern. We're a very popular product and our exposure is high. The trouble with fuel estimation (and we had a lengthy discussion in the office about this yesterday) is that we don't actually know how you're flying the plane. We know what your plans were, but people often don't stick to the plan. You might be flying with a much higher power setting, you might have done more climbing, you might have been flying into much more of a headwind than was forecast. At the end of the day, you might have a lot less fuel than we say you have. I'd much rather not say anything. I don't think we'll be moving from that stance regarding fuel estimation.


OK, I can sort of understand where you're coming from even though I don't share your opinion entirely.


The trouble with having "real" values for the current leg is that we're then showing differently-sourced values for one leg than we are for the other boxes under the same column. I do like the metaphor of a plan turning into a log, but I'm not sure how obvious that metaphor would be to everybody else. Some columns do not particularly lend themselves to this either. It's like we'd be trying to replace the boxes of the current leg in the PLOG by duplicating our actual instruments which of course are available elsewhere.


I see no problem with "differently-sourced" values in the PLOG. Let's just step back and put ourselves into the shoes of the pilot. You look at the PLOG and now, in one glance, have a full overview of what's been, what is, and what's planned to be. That's exactly what I would like to see. Yes, some of the instrument values from the map page will show up in the PLOG as well. So what? They are important values and you see them in a different context on the PLOG. There it shows you the history, present and future of these values. Is the headwind stronger than planned? If so, I can see that effect directly from the PLOG because future ETAs will be updated according to the flight's progress. I can print the PLOG after the flight, if so desired, and have a good record of what happened. Printing it before the flight gives me a record of what was planned.


-- Chris.

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kjep - 9/10/2014 5:59:02 PM
Tim Dawson - 9/11/2014 10:33:38 AM
srayne - 9/11/2014 10:47:06 AM
pseudonym - 9/11/2014 11:43:00 AM
                 Second that. -- Chris.
ckurz7000 - 9/12/2014 11:54:58 AM
                     +1
Mike@EDTG - 9/12/2014 1:19:19 PM
Tim Dawson - 9/15/2014 11:12:17 AM
pseudonym - 9/15/2014 11:32:44 AM
Mike@EDTG - 9/15/2014 8:06:01 PM
Tim Dawson - 9/16/2014 3:27:17 PM
ckurz7000 - 9/17/2014 7:00:38 AM
Tim Dawson - 9/17/2014 3:38:15 PM
Mikernav - 9/17/2014 5:03:49 PM
ckurz7000 - 9/18/2014 8:03:39 AM
dave_kent - 9/18/2014 12:37:00 PM
             I'm with Chris and Dave on this as well.
Sky Painter - 9/18/2014 8:21:20 PM
Tim Dawson - 10/14/2014 10:49:42 AM
Sky Painter - 10/14/2014 3:32:38 PM
Tim Dawson - 10/14/2014 3:57:27 PM
Sky Painter - 10/14/2014 4:47:40 PM
ckurz7000 - 10/14/2014 7:55:03 PM
Tim Dawson - 10/16/2014 9:50:13 AM
Sky Painter - 10/16/2014 10:53:59 AM
ckurz7000 - 10/17/2014 6:56:36 AM
Tim Dawson - 10/17/2014 2:13:57 PM
ckurz7000 - 10/21/2014 7:29:13 AM
Tim Dawson - 10/22/2014 4:35:14 PM
ckurz7000 - 10/23/2014 1:36:20 PM
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